🤡 The tail wags the dog: Zelensky had a meaningful discussion with Duda about the future NATO summit in Vilnius

NATO countries, probably, except for Poland and the EU ministries, do not want to see Ukraine in NATO. However, this does not prevent Zelensky from “substantially”… pic.twitter.com/7HLb9ZzzyS

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Zelensky and Duda remembering the victims of the Volhynia massacre where tens of thousands of Poles got killed by Ukrainian nationalists.

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Old Zelensky, that wily Jew, might face a backlash for this.

This whole “homosexual Jewish neo-Nazism” thing might not be as secure as you think it is. It seems to make a lot of sense, given that every neo-Nazi group I’m aware of was run by Jews and homosexuals. The longtime leader of the American Nazi Party, Frank Collin (nee Cohen) was a Jewish homosexual.

But you can’t really have your Jewish leader out there talking trash about your neo-Nazi heroes.

Reuters:

The Ukrainian and Polish presidents marked the anniversary of massacres of Poles by Ukrainian nationalists during World War Two on Sunday, killings that have been a source of tension between the allies.

Warsaw has positioned itself as one of Kyiv’s staunchest supporters since Russia invaded the country in 2022.

Poles have always hated the Ukrainians. They viewed them (accurately) as Russians.

I don’t think their views have changed. They think it’s funny that more than a quarter million Ukrainians have died in this stupid, pointless war, and they are excited that the Ukraine population is half of what it was. They have a plan to take territory.

However, the Volhynia massacre, in which historians say tens of thousands of Poles perished, has continued to hang over ties between the two nations and become more prominent ahead of the July 11 anniversary of one of the bloodiest days of a series of killings that took place from 1943 to 1945.

Television footage showed Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelenskiy and his Polish counterpart Andrzej Duda in a church in the western Ukrainian city of Lutsk on Sunday during a service held in memory of the victims.

Zelensky has vowed to never wear anything other than green shirts until Russians cease to exist.

Polish historians say that up to 12,000 Ukrainians were also killed in Polish retaliatory operations.

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In a post on Twitter, Zelenskiy said he had a “brief but very substantive” discussion at the event with Duda about the upcoming NATO summit in Vilnius, where Ukraine is hoping for decisions that will hasten its goal of membership in the alliance.

During the events in Lutsk, @AndrzejDuda and I had a brief but very substantive discussion about the upcoming @NATO Summit in Vilnius. We agreed to work together to get the best possible result for Ukraine. pic.twitter.com/excDfFEXMr

— Володимир Зеленський (@ZelenskyyUa) July 9, 2023

The head of Duda’s office said the fact that the presidents were commemorating the victims together was “historic”, but that more work was needed.

“This is not the end of this difficult road, explaining to our Ukrainian friends about the historical truth, it will of course be continued,” Pawel Szrot told private broadcaster Polsat News.

The Polish parliament has said that the murders, carried out between 1943 and 1945 by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army and the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists under the leadership of Stepan Bandera, bore elements of genocide.

For the record, Bandera was not even a Nazi. You could maybe call him a “neo-Nazi,” since that term appears to mean “sadistic thugs who murder random people and are in league with the Jews.”

People don’t seem to be aware that Bandera spent most of the war in a German concentration camp. Unlike neo-Nazis, the real Nazis were against murdering random people. Bandera used the fog of war to carrying out his agenda of ethnically cleansing Galicia of poles, and did South Africa-style farm murders of Polish peasants, so the Germans put him in a camp.

From the local hospital, Bandera first took all the Ukrainians, the staff was hacked to death with axes, and the hospital was set on fire along with the Poles who were inside. In total, up to 800 people were killed (mostly burned alive). The village ceased to exist.

— Sinnaig (@Sinnaig) April 23, 2023

Then, in 1944, when the war was going badly for the Germans, they let him out and told him to go fight the red army. Instead, while the Ukraine was being overrun by the Russians, he just went back to killing rando Poles in Galicia. He showed zero interest in fighting the Russians.

I think he was legitimately the first “Ukrainian nationalist,” for what that’s worth (no one had previously considered the Russian peasants in the Pale of the Settlement who spoke a bastardized version of Russian featuring Polish words and grammar to be “a nation”). He hated Russians, but in his actions he seemed almost ambivalent about the USSR. The Germans gave him two chances to fight the Russians, and he declined both times, choosing to go into territory already controlled by Germans and kill random Poles. That was his whole thing.

He also did not dislike Jews. Earlier in his life, he wrote negatively about them, following others in the “Ukraine nationalism” movement, but later he viewed them as allies against the Poles.

After the war, he went to work for West German intelligence until he was eventually assassinated by the KGB in 1959.

Everything I just said can be found in any book about Bandera. I read one last year that I don’t remember the name of. I think they’ve messed with his Wikipedia page since the war started, but most of this stuff would still be there.

The whole framing of him as a “Nazi” is really dumb, and an insult to the Nazis. He was literally not even anti-Semitic. You can’t be a Nazi and not dislike the Jews.

Bandera has been used by the Americans to create this new identity for the Ukrainians. This obviously creates a big problem for the Poles. They use Nazi symbols, because they think they’re cool. Bandera was never a member of the Nazi Party or any Nazi organization – again, he was in a concentration camps from 41 to 44 because he was committing all of these atrocities.

No one is going to go out there and say “Hitler locked this guy up to protect Polish farmers.” That doesn’t really fit in anyone’s narrative.

Furthermore, you’d think the fact that this guy went and worked for the other side after the war – effectively an American agent in occupied Berlin – would tarnish his hero status.

Of course, who he was as an historical figure is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is his role in this narrative that American spooks have built up around him. He is portrayed as a Nazi and a hero who fought Russians and founded the Ukrainian state.

Zelensky has really resisted denouncing him. But the Poles kept on pressing.

It’s one thing I actually agree with the Poles about. Bandera was a deranged psychopath mass-murderer.

But I doubt Zelensky’s boys are going to think much of this. Zelensky has argued that he is the inheritor of Bandera’s legacy, and now he’s out there with the Poles – the great enemy of the Ukraine – denouncing the hero.

Elvis Dunderhoff contributed to this article.

Russia views World War II completely differently than the West. In the West, WWII is just “World War Holocaust.” Russians view it as a large version of a 19th century war, as a war between Russia and Germany. It’s looked at as a bloodier version of that war they had with Napoleon. There is nothing about saving the Jews.

Further, Russia looks at the Jews as something forced on them by Germans. So in the Russian mind, there isn’t really any contradiction between “these Jewish Nazis are coming at us.”

To the rest of the world, however, this doesn’t really make a lot of sense. But RT just keeps calling Stepan Bandera “a Nazi collaborator.”

But this isn’t even true, really. Bandera was arrested by the Nazis and sent to a concentration camp because he kept slaughtering Polish peasants. He exploited the war to go on a genocide – against Poles. He was actually not opposed to Jews, and if anything got along with the Jews. He was definitely not a Nazi.

At the end of the war, he talked the Nazis into letting him out of the camp, saying he would organize his group to fight the Russians. Instead, when he was let out, he just started doing farm slaughters of Poles as the Red Army was marching into Europe. As far as I’m aware, he never fought Russians at all. He did, however, fight the Germans after they let him out when they again tried to stop him from slaughtering Polish peasants.

He was a really weird person generally, and it is very weird to make him a national hero. (Although it sort of makes sense when you consider the fake identity of the “Ukraine” people.) He looked like your standard “arrested for possession of child pornography” booking photo.

He was really just a genocidal maniac obsessed with killing Poles. That is really the long and short of it. More – after the war, he ended up working for West German intelligence.

I meet right-wingers who think he was the leader of some equivalent of the Swedish SS volunteer division. That’s not what he was and he wasn’t even anything close to that. He was just a psycho who wanted to ethnically cleanse Galicia of Poles, and did South Africa style farm murders. He just went along with anyone who he thought could enable him to do that. If the Russians would have had him and let him loose, he would have done the same thing – kill defenseless Polish farm people.

When you understand this is who the Ukraine is celebrating, it makes more sense than saying “Jewish neo-Nazis.”

Well, here’s a pretty weird allegation.

RT:

Intelligence obtained by Russia suggests that Poland and the US are working on a plan for Warsaw to regain control of Ukrainian areas that Warsaw considers as “historically belonging” to it, Moscow’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) chief Sergey Naryshkin has said.

According to the alleged plan, the first stage of this “reunification” will see Polish “peacekeepers” deployed in western Ukraine under the pretext of “protection from Russian aggression,” Naryshkin outlined in a statement on Thursday.

The details of the operation are now being discussed between Warsaw and the US government, he claimed, adding that the operation is designed to be executed without a NATO mandate, and only volunteer states taking part.

Warsaw has so far been unable to find any other nations to join its cause, he added. But the Polish authorities are unconcerned by this, as they want to minimize the number of “unnecessary witnesses” to their actions, Naryshkin said.

Despite their publicly declared goal of countering Moscow, the Polish troops would be deployed in parts of Ukraine where they’ll have almost no chance of engaging Russian forces, he explained.

According to Russian data, the actual “tactical objective” of the Polish troops will be taking control of strategic facilities from the Ukrainian National Guard. Poland’s intelligence services are apparently now searching for “reliable” members of the Kiev elite, who would be willing to form a pro-Warsaw counterbalance to Ukrainian nationalists.

The Polish government assumes that entrenching its forces in western Ukraine would, with a high probability, lead to the split of the country, he claimed. In this case, control over the territories where the peacekeepers are set to be deployed would remain in the hands of Warsaw, the spy chief continued.

The plan appears to be an attempt, he pointed out, to repeat an historic deal that was struck after World War I and saw Western nations accept Warsaw’s right to occupy, in the first instance, parts of Ukraine to protect its people from the “Bolshevik threat” and, later, to include those areas into the Polish state.

This almost sounds like Russian propaganda to be used against Ukrainians who believe that Poland is their greatest ally. However, as I’ve pointed out many times: thus far, we’ve yet to catch the Russian government purposefully distributing false information about the Ukrainian situation. Frankly, they appear to believe that it is better to keep to the truth and be reliable about that.

Of course, “we have intelligence leading us to believe…” is the lightest form of lie you can tell, if you do want to tell a lie. So maybe it is a lie.

It sounds crazy, but you know what also sounds crazy? Poland’s fanatical support for “Ukraine neo-Nazism.”

We keep hearing these people talking about Stepan Bandera, who was ostensibly “an ally of Nazi Germany.” While that is technically true, sort of, he was actually imprisoned by Nazi Germany, and only let out at the end of the war.

He was sent to a concentration camp in 1942 and only let out in September of 1944. The Nazis told him to fight Russia, and push the Eastern Front. Instead, he just started slaughtering Poles in already occupied territory. (He also actually started attacking Germans directly, for the record – so “ally of Nazi Germany” is not really especially correct. “Fanatical anti-Polish individual who the Nazis let out of prison in Hail Mary play at the end of the war who ended up actually fighting against them” would be a better description.)

From Wikipedia:

In late 1942, when Bandera was in a German concentration camp, his organization, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, was involved in a massacre of Poles in Volhynia and, in early 1944, ethnic cleansing also spread to Eastern Galicia. It is estimated that more than 35,000 and up to 60,000 Poles, mostly women and children along with unarmed men, were killed during the spring and summer campaign of 1943 in Volhynia, and up to 100,000 if other regions, such as Eastern Galicia, are included.

Despite the central role played by Bandera’s followers in the massacre of Poles in western Ukraine, Bandera himself was interned in a German concentration camp when the concrete decision to massacre the Poles was made and when the Poles were killed.

He was literally imprisoned by Germany because he was planning to slaughter Poles. Germans imprisoned this man to protect the Poles. More than really even a “Ukrainian nationalist” or an easily categorized political figure, he was basically just an unhinged psycho who really hated Poles for various personal reasons. (He grew up in Lviv, then run by Poles who discriminated aggressively against Ukrainians).

Bandera was not really even against the Jews.

Also from his Wiki:

In 1941–1942 while Bandera was cooperating with the Germans, OUN members did take part in anti-Jewish actions. German police at 1941 reported that “fanatic” Bandera followers, organised in small groups were “extraordinarily active” against Jews and communists.

However, when Bandera was in conflict with the Germans, the UPA under his authority sheltered Jews,[85] and included some Jewish fighters and medical personnel. In the official organ of the OUN-B’s leadership, instructions to OUN groups urged those groups to “liquidate the manifestations of harmful foreign influence, particularly the German racist concepts and practices.” Several Jews took part in Bandera’s underground movement, including one of Bandera’s close associates Richard Yary who was also married to a Jewish woman. Another notable Jewish UPA member was Leyba-Itzik “Valeriy” Dombrovsky.

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By 1942, Nazi officials had concluded that Ukrainian nationalists were largely indifferent to Jews and were willing to both help them or kill them if either better served the nationalist cause. A report, dated 30 March 1942, sent to the Gestapo in Berlin, claimed that “the Bandera movement provided forged passports not only for its own members but also for Jews.” The false papers were most likely supplied to Jewish doctors or skilled workers who could be useful for the movement.

To be clear: Germans put this guy in a camp in part because he was literally helping the Jews.

This whole “neo-Nazi” terminology is obviously questionable given these facts, but A30B does have swastika tattoos and flags and so on. However: you can also understand why Jews aren’t particularly bothered by using Bandera as an ideological figurehead.

You’ve all seen the clips of top Ukrainian officials (including Jews) praising Bandera, or photographed with pictures of him above their desks.

Mayor of Lvov explaining that Molotov cocktails are now being called "Bandera smoothies" pic.twitter.com/deCIzXxznn

— Russians With Attitude (@RWApodcast) February 26, 2022

So it’s not just A30B that is being organized around this Bandera thing, but the entire concept of Ukrainian statehood that is being organized around this mass-murdering anti-Polish guy from the 1940s.

When you understand that: it does sort of make sense that Poles would have other motives in this whole thing that is going on. Sure: someone can claim that this entire Bandera obsession in the Ukraine is just an expedient ideology supported by the CIA in order to organize Ukrainians into violent struggle with Russia. I’m sure the CIA agents who organized ISIS were not devoted Wahabbists. That said, you still don’t have a motive for Poland being so insanely pro-Ukraine unless they are getting something out of this. Being allowed to go into Western Ukraine as peace-keepers in a partitioned Ukraine is definitely something they would be getting out of this.

Here’s a thought: I wonder why Germany won’t take this opportunity to align with Russia to invade and partition Poland?

Is it because Germany is a puppet state run by the US and managed by a vicious Legion of Grannies?